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I was interested to read your jobs analysis.  It agrees with analysis I published yesterday using a completely different process.  In my article at TheStreet.com I revised my previous data extrapolation to a crossing of the zero line to start a net gain in employment in the next two months (February or March).  The previous extrapolation had indicated starting to gain jobs in the second or third quarter.

 

The problem with just returning to net jobs growth of 50,000 or 100,000 or even 150,000 per month is that we are in a deep hole.  For example, we need more than 4 million added jobs this year just to accomodate the return of the people who have dropped out of the labor force plus new people that are expected to be added in an average year due to population growth.  Adding 150,000 per month, which seems an unlikely large average for the year, would accomodate less than half of those 4 million.  And that provides nothing to help find jobs for the 15 million unemployed that we start this year with.

 

I'm going to post more on the employment situation on Seeking Alpha and here at RD this week.  I have to disagree with your assertion that the Dept. of Labor data is crap.  The data is quite good - it's the headlines that are generated from the data that are crap.  You very correctly point out that the change from 10.1% unemployment rate in October to 9.7% in January is not meaningful.  That change is in the noise level of the data.  The survey data uncertainty is much larger than 0.4% change in unemployment.  However, having four months with no rise in the unemployment rate is significant within the sampling error of the DOL surveys.  It supports your assertion that a minimum in the number employed could be near.

 

Steve, your discussion of employment is as complete as any I have seen.  Great job.

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Gentlemen. 2008 & 2009 were the first half of the ballgame. 2010 is half-time and is an election year. The job losses are abating as Steven so succintly reports. Here was my thought on 2010 I posted on December 29th on Seeking Alpha:

"The reflation attempt will create some real jobs beyond Census counters although that will skew the unemployment numbers as Mr. Krasting mentions.

2010 will look and feel like the beginning of a sustained recovery when it is simply the middle of the W shaped event that began in 2007. Technically, depression began in 2000 and are eighteen year events to fully clear the excesses of the boom years but the can was kicked down the road to a degree.

After Q1 2011, watch out below! Between inflation, taxes and tenacious beurocracy which is markedly anti-competitive 2011 and 2012 are going to be one wild ride.

As for 2010, yawn... I expect any Middle East action to occur in 2013, not this year. The kingmakers will not make their move this year, not all is in place for what they consider the final global consolidation period."

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The second half of the ballgame will be starting in Q2 of 2011. My forecast for 2010 is simple: Sideways trading in almost everything except for Healthcare (Pharmas) and IT. By the end of 2012, the real unemployment rate will be 30%-35%. I am looking at my comments at Seeking Alpha since the summer of 2007 when I became active. My forecast in August of 2007 was chance of recession 100% and chance of depression 50%. http://seekingalpha.com/user/161453/comments/symbol/nyx .

 

This article I wrote in late 2007 about the W shape of this depression event also worth a second look: http://theburningplatform.com/groups/deflation-hyperinflation-debate/discussions/the-depression-will-be-a-w-shaped-formation---suggested-strategy

 

While I agree with you Steven that the W is unlikely in 2010, it is a certainty in my mind for 2011. I like how other authors are now looking at eight hundred years of economic history and now publically discussing how this time is not different. The macro has been easy forecasting. Human nature never changes and why history always rythmes. The CB model has predictable cycles based on the country of origin. In the U.S. it runs out of steam every seventy years. I do stink at forecasting the micro and would be an awful day trader.

 

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as a manufacturer here in america, im going to make an appointment with a bankruptcy attorney monday. no point in trying to finance this slow death anymore. the ONLY THING that will bring back consumer confidence is the hanging of the thousands of criminals, govt and financial going back four decades. that needed purge will never happen with those criminal elements holding us hostage.

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